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Buy your break from with Prenos instead of going. Of course, now they're painting thing. We probably had this before the pain, the other la. But, um, no, you know, for the next couple of weeks. And it's also true. I was that your report that I read

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in farm labor about the price of Leno gras being like 10 cents less than I did. They wanted to serve to see if his quality counted that much. But. Mhm. The store, I went to the supermarket and, uh, compared the, uh, brands and commerce. Thank you.

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The, well, and with that, the, the Leno Breaks we're selling generally is about 10 cents a pound or 20 cents a pound cheaper. Mhm. The down. So I, I believe they were, but you can't trust a striker's taste buds that I was getting a great, couldn't

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figure out why I was so concerned. They thought I was begging for and cheese grapes and, and rotten grapes in the lot of the past. And I was looking at more at the land grape. But. Mhm. Now, uh, one thing that came up while I was

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back there was the fact that the Safeway National headquarters are in Oakland, California and uh Arnold Mayor uh suggest the blog the back there that some delegation of people should go and talk to Safeway and uh threaten the nationwide, that Safeways are from the country unless

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they change Safeway had this big two pounds or 29 cent sale of only no grapes during thanks, which is two low for Eastern Anchors. They're usually 39 to 49 a pound and eight were two for 29. So I talked to Chris Hartmeyer, uh, as soon as

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I found out about this and he was gonna contact some people in San Francisco to go talk to Safeway. And I don't know whether this has happened. I understand this is gonna be coming here and he's around and guess what I said, what do you leave?

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I had a snick since you're well known for having as well. Yeah, they felt it should be. What was that? Well, why, why do they still occur? Well, I'm throwing this out as an idea to people in the mayor and their idea was that a delegation

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should go and threaten the nationwide, uh, knowing full well that we count five and see that. And then, um, the, the, the committee should you and, uh, than other people who have the potential to produce. And I think, or the Ns CS, although an SDS is

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Tuesday afternoon and open, it will be a week, do the job and he still very wet, less large and old one of the preparing the other. The pres one, someone would be there and you say is Chris coming up soon but he was gonna contact Francis

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J about his Yeah, the guy who went to jail to go and talk to the state for him. Yeah, I know. You talk with Francis but he has heard when, what would be useful if people, when from the land who do come up were to contact?

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See, because we've got this list now of people who are gonna be working on the boycott. And, uh, I really think there's got to be some center, doesn't it? Well, I guess it would be snake because in New York and Washington are, their offices are the

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center. I think it would just, it would just make sense to do the same thing since it's already begun. That way. There doesn't seem to be any other center except the Bromell operation. That's, what time is it about 10 to 6? And the fluid is supposed

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to be here at six. Uh, we've been sitting an awful long time without a break. Maybe you'd like to stretch for a few minutes before dinner now. And we still have pending the question that was raised way back before noon and we never did dispose of

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it. Whether we want to, uh, go out and get our feet wet with some weight lifting tonight or whether we want to come back and continue reacting. Uh, Dennis Johnson was out bird dogging this afternoon. He got a very imposing list of, uh, local establishments that

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are just, uh, asking for it. What do you want to get the car and bring it here and bring in something? No. Well, doesn't anybody have any opinions? Everyone's tired. I think it perfectly, I guess the main thing through need to be left yet. So, uh,

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in terms of the boycott is that we've been able to develop a pretty good amount of support in the uh support community amongst the Negro and Mexican Americans down and so on. Uh putting pressure and fixing their uh you know, the liquor stores in their areas.

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I think that this time the B is uh oh, very, very the same like this because it builds a kind of strength and a kind of interest that I think is very essential among me. Um That would just be the main point that I have to

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bring in about the boy. I can B uh So, so the going on, we still try it out. Otherwise we just proceed pretty much like uh yeah, any questions, give me comments. Well, I'd like to know if anybody has involved those groups, anywhere else in this

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kind of activity. Everybody else is sorry, who else has started? You pregnant? Well, uh outside the, but I have to try to work in that community. I gather here. Yeah, but the lead living that has been done by my, my friends. They start even t, oh,

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President, we've also got a guy from detailed clerks to go around with our committee to talk to, uh, I talk to the store owners and I sell them, the retail business agent in me and go talk to me who is going to. Yeah, I'd be interested.

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Yeah. But he, uh, he will simply be there and introduce people. But that should be a, you may. Yeah, but the thing was for, yeah, I can, there was one hear about walking through the condo by Washington and New

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York. I was wondering in terms of what was being done elsewhere in the e whether or not, whether we should think in terms of that's true and organizational contact. That just what I, I'd like to mention one thing that's happened in Washington that Wendy may not

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have talked about. We have a real communication problem. But uh there's a guy on the Washington star who's gonna write a, write an article about the strike, uh waters problem. Yeah, he was writing an article about the strike and he's going to relate it to the

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fact that Colin Hagan is the uh congressman, you know, in that area. And then Hagen is the guy that introduced the bill he of home rule in uh in Washington, in Congress. And uh they're going to actively work to organize, supporting the Negro community for Farm

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Workers Association on that basis, um that kind of political common interest in getting rid of Hagen. And then of course, they're going to take it a step further and show the relation that Hagan has to the southern con whole agricultural block. And then it's interesting then

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the thought that the Mississippi Community Democratic Party Executive Committee unanimously endorsed the mo even though there are no liquor stores in Mississippi, which is, and you can go, I will meet you. They don't have any idea of the heart on there. But uh but those kinds

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of connections, connections that you can get out of this boy. Are you submitting information? Yeah. Well, because it seems that the uh article, a very important factor in the profile. One of the leaders. Yeah. The, the Yeah. Right. Of course, public blood 78 is not that,

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you know, relevant to yourself. So, yeah, but I mean, it shows that it into the Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, that's more important than California first, please. He was still a mission. Sure. OK. Is not, she's living, I was me will. Some meeting in Fresno was

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held while Hagen was very deeply involved in this kid, was on his, on the district home committee and was di who engineered this big commission business because Fresno has a commission one go. So then, all right, that's fine. I mean, me, I was the, I mean,

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that, that stronger go really demonstrates. Oh, you saw it right there. Train. So, so the is um indigenous. It strikes me, excuse me, this is leading rather gracefully into a discussion of politics if we want to let it continue heading that way. Oh, just the point

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that I want to bring out was that I think that that certainly one of the most important things in this boycott is what it does in terms of organizing support among similar types of movements around the country and around the state. Uh much more important than

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say, affecting Shenley sales. I mean, just, just much more. And I think we really have to have to keep that in mind when the time comes, we go to, to get support and where we place our priorities. Well, shall we talk for a while about um

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political candidates and uh elections thereof and thereof and laws that we'd like to see and so forth and so on. This is not really, that's what today bias has officially announced his candidacy times as a Republican in a party or, or, or that winning which one

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you meant? Maybe it would be a good idea. But uh if a formal press has ever prepared everyone else, the boycott or something like that, the copies we sent with the covering letter to congressman like this ha you know, to LC that, you know, there's a

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lot of activity. Yeah, they're calling me when we thought you would be interested in uh the recent moves concerning the Wild life situation, your, uh, you know, side and, uh, keep going wild. Four days post chairs of walk. Yeah, I mean, the word to be worked

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out in the proper parking sign, this would show these problems with some, a foot because, uh, sis used to say, well, I said, I, uh, I always get a lot of Republican support and they support me, you know, so he doesn't have a friend of Republican.

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So you are having your personal thought. You said you were having a personal, yeah, we do. Well, we'll try to assemble our various little uh that are endorsing this uh boycott the television cameras and such. And then we're gonna try to have a rally Friday night.

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Uh Hopefully Cesar will come and speak and see how conditional this is uh which extensive work will be done for getting people from the Mexican American community to come to this. So it will serve a double purpose, both of uh propagandizing the association as well as

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getting television publicity and so on with Moa on through Saturday's papers. What are you gonna do in a contest between Harlan Hagen and Bob? Mhm. There's something that will move amongst Kern County Democrats to run a guy against taking to at least make a, spend some

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money. The primary. Very so, yeah, our uh reliable source. It's a very there a lot. OK. Oh, see Hagen has been, I mean, all political campaigns. I go back a long time you get stuff in the mail to say, hey, this is a drunk as an

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arrest drug. Our yellow bars and we did not find a record. Oh, you have. Ok. No, down there. But he's very concerned about the poverty thing in Bakersfield and the poverty people in Bakersfield, the neighborhood workers and those people have been very concerned about the strike

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in Delano. And so Hagen has written them letters saying I'm gonna make sure you get your child daycare center and so on. But I don't want to comment on the strike. You know, we're trying to get those people to shut up about the strike in return

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of pushing their little program. However, they're not gonna be willing to accept that. And uh this is really putting a lot of pressure uh down there. I mean, exactly where I, he always are any organizations planning voter registration drives. Ok. Usually, um, we had plans for

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getting work in the business, you know, especially the way on the already are that you want to talk to seizure about we're talking about tomorrow. But otherwise, um, you already w like the thing is that the county clerk is where county refuses to make any farmer

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de register. It's very hard to be begin to do this. You're not able to stay off three months do this. They lost twice. But uh we're still actually doing it well, I think in the summer put it, we particularly here in the city and supervisory direction

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to the, to the county. But also, uh, see where dey answer and the whole answer next to the state Senator, the French. Yes, Wendy M three to the branchial in early morning in the world. And there are full time staff people there now. But it was,

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uh, it ready made. They're doing welfare motor registration there that we, we've got a, a lot better. There'll be a branch office. I'm sorry, you, 12 and the one and one, you'd be lucky one. Um, excuse me, you can, I see that Dennis is back now.

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What's the word? Draining? Draining pretty hard. Maybe we better stay home. We're working that out there. Get some on there. I wonder if, uh, Joe Gunman would like to say a few words about his impressions of what might be shaping up in the way of possibilities

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in the way of state legislative action. Ok. Mhm. I, I, I'm going to assume that everybody here is aware of the manner in which farm labor has been discriminated against in legislation, both at the state level and federal level for many years. Uh, not all of,

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you may be aware of what the history has been of our recent activities in, in legislation in California. Uh, how we have approached this subject in the last several sessions. We have generally tried to reach some kind of a, of an agreement as to what our

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priorities were going to be. But since there is no organization in California that speaks for all farm workers or that even is organized to represent farm workers, uh strictly in the, in the legislative field, it's been kind of a haphazard affair. Uh Perhaps, uh, we've gotten

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together in Goshen or some place called a conference like this one. A lot of people from different groups come together. Uh We discuss what the legislative priorities are as the different groups see them and then try to work out some kind of a of a consensus

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as to what bill should be pushed first. Uh Unemployment insurance for farm labor has been given a high priority. So has the minimum wage. And uh so as collective bargaining when it has come down to the, to the actual, well, along with this, I'm, I'm remembering

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now the Goshen conference along with this planning on priorities, we make big plans for, for maintaining communications for establishing uh a list of people who can be called upon uh during the session and all that kind of thing. Uh Everybody goes home and everybody is very

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busy with other things. So these things don't happen. So what happens when the legislative session starts is that um the, the unions will introduce their bills which uh in recent sessions anyway, have tended to include farm labor. That is unemployment insurance for farm labor, a collective

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bargaining bill which does not exclude farm labor, a minimum wage bill which does not exclude farm labor and so forth. Uh because the, the unions do have official positions in favoring farm labor. Actually, though the unions have a lot of other irons in the fire, they

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have a lot of other concerns and they cannot be considered a, a, the farm labor lobbying group. Uh When it comes down to the, to the problem that the California Labor Federation has or the Teamsters or anybody else. where do we put our time today? They

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have a lot of demands on their time. And when it comes down to uh uh fighting in the clinches with the employers as to who is going to have to give up what it is very likely that farm labors, the coverage of farm labor under unemployment

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insurance or something like that is going to fall by the wayside. The friends Committee on legislation for the last several sessions has concentrated on the unemployment insurance effort. And we have served pretty much as a kind of a clearing house for information. Um to the extent

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that somebody was in Sacramento watching farm labor legislation specifically and trying to get the information out to the Citizens Committee or the Farm Workers Association or somebody else, uh, we were the ones that were doing it. And you have to remember that when we're doing this,

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this is simply part of a bigger program that, that we are carrying on a wider program. So that even our effort is is not what you would call a farm labor lobby. The they of California has wiped out its major discrimination. There are still various sections

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of the labor code where farm labor is, is excluded. But the, we, we do have farm labor covered under workman's comp we have farm labor covered under disability insurance. The one major exclusion which still remains is unemployment insurance. Now, what are the, what are the prospects

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now, as you know, um, we are facing an election year. Well, first of all, I'll go back a little closer. In January, the legislature is going to going to reconvene in a special session which will be followed by the budget session and these two will overlap

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in the budget session. The only items that can be brought up are those having to do with the budget and taxes in the special session. The governor is going to going to uh open up uh, the subject of air pollution smog control and nobody knows, or

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at least, I don't know, perhaps Kirk has some inside dope as to what other subjects they may open up. It's pretty certain that they're going to try to keep this special session as non-controversial as possible. After all, they already in taxes in the budget, they already

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have enough controversy. They're going because there is an election coming up next fall and they're going to try to keep the, the special session as short as possible too for the same reason they want to get home and campaign. I think the chances for there being

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anything major for farm labor then they uh in 1966 it's very, very slim. Uh, the way I feel about it, we might as well forget about it as far as the special session is concerned. The budget session. Now, the elections in 19 in, in Nove, in

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June and November of next year will be very important ones because they will be the first ones held under reapportionment. And this means that we're going to get a complete shift in the Senate. Uh, Los Angeles will have, I think it's, uh, 13.5 new seats, there

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will be some other new seats in metropolitan centers. These seats obviously have been lost someplace else. They've been lost in the rural areas. It means a complete upheaval as far as the Senate is concerned. And, uh, it will mean that the Senate that comes the new

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Senate will be, uh, a, an urban dominated senate. Now, the general assumption is that this will be also a more liberal Senate, but I, I'm not as sanguine as that on that score as some people are. But the fact that the Senate is being reapportioned is,

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is going to upset things in the assembly too. The assembly has been reapportioned but with, with the least possible effect on any incumbents, they only incumbent whose district was seriously meddled with that is meddled with to his in a negative way from, in terms of his

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chances was the district of Assemblyman, Gordon Winton. It may just be coincidence, but he is also an assemblyman who has most consistently spoken out against speaker Jesse Unruh. Uh But the thing that's going to upset the assembly is that a lot of the metropolitan assemblyman, especially

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the Los Angeles Assembly, of course, are going to have eyes on those new Senate seats, but they're going to be running for the Senate and that means they're going to be a lot of new people running for, for assembly seats and what's going to come out

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of that race? We can't tell. But anyway, this means that we will have a, a radically different legislature in January of 1967. And I think that's as far as the state legislation is concerned, that's our earliest hope for getting anything major for farm labor in the

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meantime, what should we, what should we be doing? Well, I think that first of all, you have to make up your mind whether you're going to work at this thing. Seriously, if you, if you're going to get a temporary enthusiasm about political action and then forget

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about it. Well, you might as well forget about it now because this is going to take a lot of work on the long haul. You're going to want to put on real registration drives to get the people registered. You're, we're going to need to establish some

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way of creating priorities. Uh Perhaps we go to another general conference as we had before. Perhaps somebody can think of a better idea. You need, we need to test the candidates in the primary and in the November election against these priorities and uh support them or

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oppose them to a great extent on the basis of these priorities. And I think that uh you're going in, in this, you need to be a little bit uh tough minded, get firm commitments from the men, from the men and women who are running and, and,

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and get them in public or in writing. If you're working for a man, don't just go down to the, to the headquarters and work for him, make sure he knows you're working for him. I mean, you have to build up your credit for when the legislative

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session starts and then when the legislative session is underway, by that time, we will have, have to have some plan worked out for carrying on the, the lobbying in Sacramento on the issues and also for having the resources in the district. So that when a crisis

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arise, we know whom to reach. And the uh machinery is all set up to get a maximum number of people, putting pressure on the people who, who need the pressure. Uh It, it's a big, it's a big job, but at least we have one advantage. We're

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not waiting until next October or November to start talking about it. That's all I would have to say. Uh, Hank questions, vomit, unemployment insurance didn't get through in the past and they had to do something for her. Well, no, I never heard that. I think, uh,

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unemployment insurance for farm labor didn't get through in the last session because those, well, for one thing, we had a rough sub-committee to, to deal with and secondly, those who said they were in favor of farm labor, unemployment insurance for farm labor weren't really committed to

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it. You have to have somebody, you know, if you're, if you're going to get a bill through, you're gonna have to have, have two groups working for it. You have to have somebody inside the legislature who, to whom this legislation is really important and who is

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going to work for it, who is going to get out there and twist arms and wheel and deal for it. Uh, just the fact that somebody has authored a bill that isn't enough. As a matter of fact, sometimes he'll author the bill and then go around

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in the cloakroom and tell the boys, I really didn't mean it, knock it in the head. You have to get that kind of a commitment in the legislature and you have to get the kind of commitment from people outside the legislature to who will, who will

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carry on the work. Now, I think that the they build, um, ok, died the last time because we didn't have that kind of commitment within the legislature and our support from the outside wasn't all it should be either. And secondly, the whole unemployment insurance uh setup

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is fouled up. It needs a major overhaul of the California unemployment insurance fund is in a bad way and this is being in effect loaded on the back of farm labor. In other words, we can't, we can't cover farm labor because of the probable cost to

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the unemployment insurance fund. My pitch during the last session was farm laborers has every right to unemployment insurance just as much as anybody else does. The, your job is to straighten out the unemployment insurance fund with the assumption that farm labor is to be covered. In

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other words, you cover farm labor and then you figure out now where do we go? What are we going to do with this situation? Of course, it's much easier for the legislators to put a lot of patchwork here and a little patchwork there. And that's it.

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The, the, the unemployment insurance bill that came out with smells, even though, uh, organized labor on as a whole went along with it. Yes. Uh, the way I understand is that one company, what they work for? The pain percentage of your neck problem. Right. It's, it's

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the, it's employer paid, the employer pays yes for the, for the employees. Uh It's a, it's a certain percentage of payroll and this is this percentage of payroll is, is the, once the, the firm has been under unemployment insurance for, for, I think it's three years,

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it's based upon the experience they have had if they've had a lot of unemployment insurance claims out of that company. In other words, a lot of people have been fired. Uh, there's been a big turnover, a lot of unemployment insurance claims, then that company will have

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to pay a, a high percentage. If they have a good record, then the percentage goes down actually the maximum they can pay while the law was changed in the last session. And I think it went up half a point to 4% or something like that. Anyway,

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it was, uh, roughly 3.5%. 3.5 was the maximum that any, any company would have to pay. I should have mentioned this about course, work by welfare this house last year and they strike it as we has to work and free from the government. How he said,

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I think that's last surgery before you mentioned that they are forced to work in the parts of the brain. And also I can't worry. Well, I don't think that came out of this session. I think that the practice. Can you explain that that's actually a state,

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the permanent law to one in period. And it's a great deal that is counting option then to her return. How do two pieces? Uh, one in question, you know, the question. Can you talk a little about? Mhm. When he does this, I also, I would, I

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would expect that if there is anything in the special call and we somehow related to labor supply. Yeah. I think any of that time, auto therapy this, well, uh, as far as federal legislation is concerned, uh, II, I will ask Wendy to speak more on that.

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But one thing that you, you may have noticed that Kuchel has come out with a, a scaled minimum wage for farm labor. I forget what the figures are. Do you remember them? Henry? It starts out uh somewhat below the minimum, the minimum rate for which other

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workers now have, which is a dollar 30. I think it starts out at a dollar 15 and then goes up to a dollar 30 over a period of three years. And he says that he's going to introduce that. I'm sure that also that there are going

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to be some bills introduced to, uh for unemployment insurance uh at the federal level. And I think we have to watch any of these proposals, whether it's the minimum wage or unemployment insurance, uh like hawks because uh the, the big farm boys are nodding wisely and

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saying yes, we need uh unemployment insurance for farm labor and so forth. Uh We need a better wage guarantee and so forth and they're going to make proposals which really uh may throw us back rather than take us forward. Uh an example of that, of that

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kind of thing was in the last session of the state legislature when um well Congressman Leggett had a bill up which would provide that the federal government would pay 80 percent of any of the deficit that arose in any state unemployment insurance fund as a result

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of covering farm labor. And that in itself may be a good proposal. But Cam and Venom and put in a bill which provided unemployment insurance for California farm labor effective when Congressman Leggett's bill goes through in the form in which it is introduced. Well, the thing

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is a complete phony because for one thing, uh you know, very well that no piece of legislation is going to get through the Congress, especially any controversial piece like that without major changes. So it's not going to get through in the, in the form in which

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it was introduced. Secondly, it's going to take years to get a piece of legislation like that through. In the meantime, if that, if bene's bill has gone through, uh it would, it would have served as a block against our working in Sacramento. If I went around

00:42:53.290 - 00:43:08.709

to the people in Sacramento, they'd say, well, we already passed the bill. Now you're, now you go to Washington. So we ended up uh helping to kill that bill and it's that kind of thing that we have to watch again. Wendy, would you want to say

00:43:08.719 - 00:43:25.239

some more on the Federal, I think the most interesting thing I heard back there came from the peace movement who had just studied about farm labor and they said that the, he was promoting the war in Vietnam so that the growers would get the breath there.

00:43:27.189 - 00:43:48.500

The worst situation shortage of farm workers. Well, do you, do you, do you realize that about as of 22 weeks ago, we still had 1920 foreign workers at work in the state of California. There's several things on there been on a meeting with work along with

00:43:48.860 - 00:44:12.139

Bennett and Father Gar to discuss this. Um And there is clearing out of the pocket. Willard works is convinced that American workers will not cut sugarcane. And on this basis, he expects that people from the British West Indies will continue to be imported into Florida. Uh

00:44:12.239 - 00:44:38.870

unless and until Americans will cut sugar cane, uh They're also still using apple pickers in Vermont. And you know, um this is a thing that today the Canadian were there? Words reported? Well, actually Robert Goodwin, we went on the meeting reported that they had been very

00:44:38.879 - 00:44:57.169

successful in recruiting Louisiana Negroes to come to California to fill the labor gap last summer. This is something they could all be proud of. Uh It seems that the US Department of Labor is only allowed to recruit west of the Mississippi for state west and east

00:44:57.179 - 00:45:18.360

of the Mississippi, for State and East unless they get a special employ allowed to recruit out of Mississippi and Alabama for California, but they can recruit how they did. So, um, he himself thought that the users would try and introduce a new bill and would not

00:45:18.370 - 00:45:43.060

succeed. The teamsters, uh, Jimmy Hoffman's assistant told me that he thought the blood, the program was over way back in. Oh, that's on the side. Um, the border patrol, which is of special concern to uh Caesar whom I was representing at this meeting. Uh turns out

00:45:43.070 - 00:46:00.010

to be something which we may be able, I don't know, may be able to do something on. It seems like the border patrol is grossly understaffed and that there's a very effective uh lobby which lobbies at the time when appropriations for various government committees come up

00:46:01.149 - 00:46:24.760

and uh this uh group of people lobby against an adequate appropriation for the border patrol. Uh And these are grower lobby, para grower lobbying. And um one suggestion that was made to us was that we find out when appropriations are being discussed and lobbied for an

00:46:24.770 - 00:46:47.169

adequate appropriation for the border control. This was in response to the wet back problem we have in strength area. Um They also discussed these Japanese uh agricultural trainees who were brought in a strike rate bridge and uh said it before that for reasons of international relations,

00:46:47.179 - 00:47:06.850

they can't send the agricultural trainees home even though the roster program is over. But um they will not let be letting you come in and the Japanese have been going home and they seem to think that at the end, um the Arabians, which were probably the

00:47:06.860 - 00:47:31.530

biggest and most consistent group of strikebreakers are green. Uh I had a check me while I was back there and they are not uh agricultural trainees like the Japanese are, but uh they are Arabian green cards that um is a person who declares an intent to

00:47:31.540 - 00:47:50.080

immigrate to the United States as a citizen. This is like a Mexican. You know, every country has a quota and people can immigrate to the United States. What happens in the case of Mexicans is that they get these little immigration cards stating an intent to become

00:47:50.090 - 00:48:17.729

a resident of the United States and in fact, just use it to cross back and forth. But there's nothing in American law that says you can't go home relative. So it's kind of just a big, do you? Right? 500. Well, I said one fire, what? The

00:48:17.750 - 00:48:53.600

Arabian A R they were here. Uh The day of our meeting in Ocean, we met the herbs that at the bus station. We try to talk Spanish to them. What? Yeah. Um Arabia seems to be a, you know, a new place to get farm workers. Uh

00:48:53.610 - 00:49:26.709

They were working at two branches in Australia did I have and to do no, a lot of them up around Modi. Yeah. Well, Kirk, another thing is part of this last September food product, which was a border crossing community. And essentially this is a ruling that

00:49:27.020 - 00:50:01.350

uh said that people with border crossings are almost anywhere uh legalized work said that the biggest problem we were gonna have with the R and E cartilage. Mhm. Thank you an orange card. Uh, in the past that you get to come to visit your relatives, but

00:50:01.360 - 00:50:20.169

you are not permitted to work And this is a e either it's a new color or it's a new kind of card. But uh these people were breaking the strike but we didn't know what they were, but they turned out to be orange card. Ward says

00:50:20.179 - 00:50:42.739

that we should continue to expect more trouble from these people. It's almost impossible to catch them because when they're home, they say they're not working and when they're in the field you and get, get them in, they're the same thing. What year immigration would have the

00:50:42.750 - 00:51:05.600

right to end it all have the money but you can put it in. I can, well, when, when, when we started this morning, there were a number of these lying on the counter here. These are somebody's summary, is it this year's Hank Somebody's Sum Mary summary

00:51:05.610 - 00:51:36.090

of state and federal legislation as it affects farm workers. Perhaps there are some more of those lying around here. Uh, in case you didn't get it, are they fighting? Well, you know, you know, Governor Brown he's no on that one. It's a brave man disproportion between

00:51:36.100 - 00:52:03.580

his feeling. What do you mean effectively all the way through the, this feeling or exceed? Mhm. Well, he, he kind of think out on the Bracero program, I haven't forgiven him that one. Uh, tw, all right. The general is one of extreme concern and there is

00:52:03.590 - 00:52:29.489

a package of things that go in as governors legislation in all the material and they all the waist bus even though, yeah, Zenovich is unemployment insurance bill was the governor's bill. I've, well, now the governor is not in favor of state legislation for minimum wage and

00:52:29.500 - 00:53:01.120

collective bargaining. He wants that done at the federal level. Isn't that correct? Also the, um, so there, there are new bills though, in the past, a lot of social which is not being for anywhere where the step on. Um, so also the A RV, uh, naturally

00:53:01.129 - 00:53:41.850

in relation to inclusion, uh, had a very good prognosis and began to several special time also, uh, the, to whatever middle wage, I think you are work says that in his opinion, minimum wage for five years, NLRB. But what? Yeah, what we should do in the

00:53:41.860 - 00:54:07.189

meantime is right air p ok. You, he did say, uh, someone asked him about Johnson's feeling. So he said after all, our president is from Texas and, uh, most of us do know his historic, I think we should respect something like this. Uh, you know, just

00:54:07.199 - 00:54:31.879

about as anti as you expecting to get turn off of it and while you do it straight and so seriously the impossible. Um, well, it was a very, very small, I, and there is talk, I guess increasingly because of what first you problem is doing really

00:54:32.030 - 00:54:56.370

good and people are talking now about what will, what would happen when I get in all of the coverages happened. So, I was talking to my lady who was talking about a program I put in, you know, an awful lot of money if Mlrb and people

00:54:56.379 - 00:55:22.669

are kind of like preparing for this possibility of LR vision being passed and then a big drive slavery. And if it's really easier to work, the cancer said we're gonna start organizing as soon as we know the breath there. Well, I talked to the regional head

00:55:22.679 - 00:55:56.179

of uh of packing network and he said he was going, they're gonna start organizing what, what that and that was what I talked to him about half year. Anybody else got the cycle. That's right. Well, there's, I've, I've heard uh there's a, a negative comment too

00:55:56.189 - 00:56:20.179

on this NLRB thing that actually if farm labor comes under NLRB not be as well off as you think you are because the NLRB machinery takes time and it provides plenty of opportunity for stalling on part of the employer and it pro it pro provides very

00:56:20.189 - 00:56:36.389

few ways in which you can actually hit at the employer and hurt him. So that, uh, at least one attorney friend of mine has suggested that you be, that you're much better off when you don't have any law governing you than if you do under the

00:56:36.399 - 00:57:04.889

present NLRB setup. Uh, I don't know, but it's been my experience. It, uh, uh, a lot employees do pay experience and they deputy here and it was all we got, for instance, on, uh, pay that they haven't gotten. They've been short of. Yes, I know of

00:57:04.899 - 00:57:22.149

two guys. I used to work with the gas, the gas, uh, who the shortage of their check and the cat too much short. Uh, and which is illegal and, uh, they notified the NRRP and, uh, and then went and told the employer that they had moved

00:57:22.179 - 00:57:46.149

on. I even got to pay him off. He said I don't want any. Well, are you sure that was NLRB? It doesn't sound like NLRB to me. It is the state labor also. I, I work in, uh, here is some term the name or, I don't

00:57:46.159 - 00:58:15.530

know, maybe it's just because they don't want people to work all do something. Um, ok, because people were talking about the mobility that you have once around. So, uh, the cat and away from you. And so, yeah, it seems to be even more of a case

00:58:15.550 - 00:58:46.169

of that kind of tactical. Ok. Sort of throttling the question. Uh, the, the, the Department of Corrections, uh, managed to get through some very good bills in the last session of the legislature. Uh, ok, get men out of prison. And 11 program they have is to

00:58:46.179 - 00:59:04.419

get more of the men out of prison into their home jails and then out on to work furlough, which means that they hold jobs and then spend the night in the jail. Uh, I, I think it's, it's, it's very good legislation. A friend of mine expressed

00:59:04.429 - 00:59:25.399

the fear that this would be used in the rural counties to, to, uh, force prisoners out on the farm work. Well, maybe in some counties that maybe, maybe that is possible. I think it's something that we should watch, but I, I'm not, uh, paranoid enough to

00:59:25.409 - 00:59:51.070

feel for sure that that is what is going to happen that I get this one. Any other questions of Joe issue? I don't know whether this is yours or not. You but, oh, in order to get a vowel, labor verified by the state, which in turn

00:59:51.080 - 01:00:10.959

means that people on full on welfare are not required to travel, to work at a particular ranch. Uh, one has to go at present through an elaborate kind of procedure with the state Department of Employment in order to get a labor dispute certified. Now, is this

01:00:10.969 - 01:00:33.060

something which is subject to legislative change or? Um, I'm sure it's subject to legislative change. I don't know just what it is. I've never, I, the, the the possibility of changing that by law has never been brought up to me. I, I've never heard anybody discuss

01:00:33.070 - 01:00:59.929

it. Uh, art would, would, you know, you know, under the present set up if there's a strike on in the, in, in the vineyards and this is certified as a bona fide labor dispute by the Department of Employment. Uh, what code or what administrative, uh, regulation,

01:00:59.939 - 01:01:31.530

uh, is that based on? Well, I think that's under federal, uh, and they give you a Wagner Wagner funds to the state of, I think there's something in there refer to people, you know, based, well, from what I understand there in California, we have to have

01:01:31.540 - 01:01:52.250

six actual employees reforming them for you to fill out cards. And that's the standard they to see for a, for a labor union to strike an employer. The people picketing do not have to be former employees. They could just be getting in the industry like a

01:01:52.260 - 01:02:12.360

barber, the barbers union to pick up a one or two minute barber shop. Even though all the employees are one or two. On the California law, the barbers union has a legitimate, legitimate interest in saying to it that the union shock. Well, uh, from what I

01:02:12.370 - 01:02:36.270

understand the state standard, the certified ways this is whether or not the, the immediate, which is whether or not the uh appointment Department of Employment will refer applicants the afternoon. Next number of ex employees nutrition. Although you could pick it. You know, that doesn't mean that,

01:02:36.280 - 01:03:01.959

that would keep the burring. Yeah. So the cord will accept his way. You not be this morning. I know there's an exchange of correspondence between marshal loss and competing. I turned in L A and, uh, he's a judge now in, in parliament a few years ago.

01:03:02.100 - 01:03:28.709

I think it was concerning the Georgio, one of the strikes as to what his labor institute in California, the department to recognize any legitimate union activity or must there be former employees who strike? The new doctors was the end? I, I collaborated on that ankle. I

01:03:28.719 - 01:03:49.639

might sure God knows I've been enough of it. Uh There is no such a thing as there has to be any certain amount of employees out, even uh two or even one would be enough to uh for a certified labor dispute. And as far as uh

01:03:51.250 - 01:04:10.610

and referring anybody to a place that is struck as long as uh they will sign the affidavit that they know they're going to start job, they will refer them to the Department of Employment. Now, that has been the practice up to now, but now they're changing

01:04:10.620 - 01:04:30.000

it to where it could be uh just a labor dispute regardless of how many comes out. And they will go ahead with that. But if you get enough of the people out now they're changing it to where uh they won't refer period, whether they sign the

01:04:30.010 - 01:04:56.679

affidavit or not. But that's just something new that's come out lately. But the amount of people that's out doesn't make one part of this has been going on for years like that because I've had experiences in several strikes that we had to get them certified. In

01:04:56.689 - 01:05:17.810

fact, I might have been more strikes than anybody here in the farm labor. So I went through plenty of it, but that's been going on for years like that. That's the way it worked. Then. There's no reason why this could not be changed by legislation really

01:05:17.909 - 01:05:56.600

is just something that's, you know, the t that's right. Yeah, the legislature could established a policy on that. So maybe, maybe the next thing to do is to figure out what procedure you would want them to follow and good. Yeah, Wendy, I wanted to ask you

01:05:56.610 - 01:06:21.479

if there were any forms of political help that Caesar might be particularly interested in. I gather, this is one of them. We had a, a very hard time getting the state to certify that there was a strike. They would a week or two weeks after we

01:06:21.489 - 01:06:38.729

call, the, we'd have to go around and round up people who had walked out on a certain day and they would have to be interviewed by someone from the state and the interviews took from 1 to 2 hours and the state guy would determine, you know,

01:06:38.739 - 01:06:52.639

what their motive for walking off the job was. And if they said we walked off the job and we saw tickets or something like this that was considered harassment. They had to say something like we walked off the job because we believe in the well good

01:06:52.669 - 01:07:13.129

and we, you know, just kind of, it had to be a, you know, a self inspired who totally independent move on their part. And so in some cases, uh the workers said the wrong thing when they were being interviewed or, you know, they walked off the

01:07:13.139 - 01:07:31.719

job for the wrong reason. So we didn't get a certification. So then when people wanted to get welfare, um they couldn't get welfare because there was a labor dispute at these nine branches. And therefore the strikers were ordered to go to work at one of these

01:07:31.729 - 01:07:56.649

nine ranches where we haven't been able to get the dispute certified and of course they refused. So they were denied welfare. Uh That's a little simplified. But you know, that's basically what happened. There were half part of the leg to be clear because I, what I

01:07:57.300 - 01:08:13.239

do, you know, he was, he was gonna have to get the records and take them to the employment agency which he didn't understand in the first place because the job of public servant was to go in the strikers. So that it's half harassment in part of

01:08:13.250 - 01:08:41.399

the blood, a blood office uh for company be half of us when we die very important in Denver. And how to treat it. Isn't this just probably something that's covered by a code of the Department of Welfare rather than that. A law foot perhaps I would

01:08:41.410 - 01:09:10.629

be subject to. They look horrible there director. Do you, do you think that's what it is? Well, we're talking about there being, I mean, what is, that's a whole by federal law, state law and then, uh, the state Department of Social Welfare regulations. And I really

01:09:10.640 - 01:09:35.609

don't know where, you know, my, I don't know my way through that phase at all. There's certainly this administrative code for a number of directors in various departments to stay. You like the Secretary of Labor come orders. And, uh, why are getting so, um, secretary or,

01:09:37.829 - 01:10:02.259

um, welfare director, director of wel therapy warranty? Yeah. And this could be covered instead by that law, well, by administrative ruling, it's, uh, I just like to delegate authority but it could take the, and make them off. Oh, yeah. You can always change anything like that.

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I'm not a regular patient. Right. I have problems with reviewing the homeowners. All right. Ok. If you, if you're dealing with it with the, with the department of employment, you're, you're dealing with an immense incompetency there that start at the top and goes right through to

01:10:31.359 - 01:10:53.859

the bottom. But, and it's all of one piece because you're dealing with, with, with 11 department. If you're dealing with social welfare, you not only have the, the fantastic maze of the that they have created. But you have the fact that the county welfare has still

01:10:53.870 - 01:11:12.950

has a lot to say and what actually happens in the field and, and the state and county are, are longer heads on various of these issues, various issues. Uh You'll have instances where it's very clear, the state regulation is what is intended and yet the county

01:11:12.959 - 01:11:32.500

may ignore it until the state comes around and orders them to straighten out. Let me mention a few more things, legal and political things that, that would help the stress. And here I think the concern has to be with organizing farm workers nationwide. You know, because

01:11:32.509 - 01:11:51.189

these are the issues that are gonna come and over again, money for the border control because they can always break any foreign labor strike anywhere in the country with wet mass and with uh green cards from Mexico, I mean, at least in the south is the

01:11:51.200 - 01:12:11.310

border patrol really clean now. I mean, they're no longer in collusion with the growers. Well, there was a time, you know, and the more, the more, uh inspectors they had that was that many more agents on the grower's side. Is that no longer true? And there's,

01:12:11.450 - 01:12:36.750

you know, I don't know if it's collusion, but there's still a thing where the border control doesn't appear in an area until it the harm. I mean, you watch when they give you, it's miraculously just after the Well, look at the imperative when they definitely, yeah,

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I said you the time do I spoke to a guy from the immigration service who always comes to uh testify in court to get wet thats thrown out. And you know, when you are arrested for being illegally in the country, they indict you to, you know,

01:12:56.089 - 01:13:12.040

you hear and then they report it. We have to report here. This is God always testifies and I asked him about Zuckerman, you know what was happening up there? They were investigating. He said, yeah, and I said, well, you know, when do you think you're going

01:13:12.220 - 01:13:37.919

to see? He, he's not done. I can tell you what's holding it up. Pepper's big contributor to the Democratic Party. Well, having a Brown, if you are these facts, why should we support a larger appropriation for the board? Another problem that, that we had in the

01:13:37.930 - 01:13:57.979

strike uh with the, I'm not sure which one this is, I think it's interstate commerce if you are recruiting scabs. Uh and, and you're an employment office, either public or private and you're specifically recruiting scabs, you have to inform people that they are being recruited to

01:13:57.990 - 01:14:20.870

be scabs and this is supposed to be done uh uh conspicuously and, and obviously, or something like this. And we had a great, great number of, of scabs recruited to break the Delano strike who at least claimed. And I think truthfully that they didn't know there

01:14:20.879 - 01:14:39.020

was a strike going on at the time. Now this is gonna happen anytime if, if there's a strike in the South, the same thing will happen from one state. And, yeah, well, they said, well, I wrote in English on the bottom of his job order that,

01:14:39.029 - 01:15:00.189

that he was a chef and, you know, and say, well, on that day, we're not here s to the welfare, sorry. Very well, there's some cases where it was clear, you know, he did have a, a labor dispute with the rancher and he did recruit people

01:15:00.200 - 01:15:18.029

and they did not know food, the striker. I understand this, the penalty. So the girl will probably keep right on doing it and just pay a fine. But, uh, it, this is something, either the penalty should be increased or at least it should be enforced. And

01:15:18.040 - 01:15:39.939

if there's, it's done on an individual basis, it should have harassment. Another thing is, uh, the Industrial Welfare Commission which, you know, uh, spends great time, deliberate deliberating and holding public hearings and passing very, uh strong statements and then no one ever follows up, no one

01:15:39.950 - 01:16:00.750

enforces them and no one even knows that these things exist. And I think it's, you know, um, it's a waste of tax money to, uh, go through the fiction unless there's gonna be some effort made to enforce all these provisions and these were flagrantly violated. You

01:16:00.759 - 01:16:22.569

know, just how about that is the sort of thing that could be taken up in a budget session. Yes, that, that would be a le legitimate project. What you're trying to do is to get more personnel for the Industrial Welfare Commission. And the, uh, well, the

01:16:22.799 - 01:16:38.479

kind of person, you know, this guy comes in the office and he says, he says I've been driving around for two days and, uh, I can't even find workers, something like this. And he says, um, you keep bothering me with phone calls and, you know, what

01:16:38.490 - 01:16:55.680

is your problem? This kind of attitude, you know, and first of all, someone who wants to enforce it and second of all, enough people to enforce it, well, you can take care of the second through the budget. I don't know what you can do about attitudes.

01:16:55.689 - 01:17:32.770

That's pretty, pretty hard job seems to be that can make some conflict and war on the wall, hold up. You know, a lot of these things, these attitudes in the state government depend upon what administration you have in. At the time. There was a big shift

01:17:32.779 - 01:17:52.270

in a lot of attitudes. When the Democrats came into office in uh 59 the Democrats are getting kind of old and fat as far as being in office is concerned and there's a lot of slippage on these attitudes. I don't know what we're going to do

01:17:52.279 - 01:18:13.549

about it. Uh It's not probably, probably not a very hopeful prospect to think of republicans getting in as far as improving attitudes is concerned. But I feel that it's really, that's what it essentially is. The, the fire has gone out of the Democrats. And now how

01:18:13.560 - 01:18:34.490

do you, uh, how do you change that from the department of Labor law enforcement? Found the best people were the old junior organizers of the thirties and I'm joined in the department. I saw my job. I can. But, uh, the thing to me it seems like

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a great for talking about the legislature. You should get a little clean house. But if anything substance, well, maybe it'll change the new leg. You're very fortunate. But I think they get a lot of the former and you have my two years, we deal with reality.

01:18:51.509 - 01:19:08.799

Local legislation in California is line to deal with. This thing is getting new people will be going within two or three years on these commissions. And this has to do with work for registration in those counties where, you know, farm workers are unregistered and also a

01:19:08.899 - 01:19:30.250

political pressure and trying to do something about questions. He's actually the agricultural industry very well represented in California. We started thinking seriously about what we knew about that. We really can't find anything. No breathing there. Something not really there. II I gather you're saying we need

01:19:30.259 - 01:19:46.509

political muscle and the way you get it is by registration, right? Association, close to the end of the sea, eventually, right? From the E I. So they send him part of the power we can help in this way. We should try to be both in the

01:19:46.520 - 01:20:26.240

cities and there. Ok. Well, uh yeah, the package, my question where a level of people in county county areas are, you know, probably the most, you know, police uh uh you know, agricultural conditions, all kinds of things are affected a lot for rural work, you know,

01:20:27.549 - 01:20:49.839

very, very crucial way. And county governments have, have great powers, San Francisco and now a lot of things was a very strike break in the side was behind San Francisco. You know, they can have a very, very important law. Uh And ok, may be very difficult

01:20:49.899 - 01:21:16.310

on the far easier there than in the state for you. What 27 brochure have this morning. Well, I, I think that certainly when you're, when you're dealing with farm workers and, and getting them registered and trying to get them interested in politics, you're going to do

01:21:16.319 - 01:21:34.040

it a lot more easily if you're talking about paving the street in front of their house or, or something like that, which is a, a county or city decision than you are if you talk about lobbying in Sacramento. Uh and, and as you say, the, the,

01:21:34.049 - 01:21:54.919

the day by day decisions that affect the, the ordinary farm worker are likely to be made in the, in the county, in the welfare office, the police station, the mayor's office and so forth. You're, you're absolutely right. If you want to build AAA political movement with

01:21:54.930 - 01:22:22.109

fire will start out with something that really, really hits people at home, the special call. And he, and he look in front of the, the regulation of operational housing which uh no, I think it's fair chance and I doubt that we get it is an issue.

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So particularly because the former member center is now in the t the uh one of the ones in the status, um, in all have some kind of part functioning in somewhere that, uh threatens the rather loose. How about tax assessment that practices? Is that gonna be

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on special call too? And that's, that's a change. Oh, I had something to do with agriculture too. There's no provision for recurring exact assessment rate for agriculture or brain assessment rates. And that's the basic, how can you check? Right. You, you won't get the, this scenario

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on for the next 2 to 3 years, at least, you know what the rate did not, one we figured, I think as well would be about 100 and $50 an acre for. Um, so, uh, no, except that I know it's, you know, it's, it's a real

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hot potato, legislate your faces on this is what the problem is. There are too many guys in it that could make. Hm, I do. You mean even if it didn't have a raise, uh, files aren't available to talk about any progression committees, physical test and we

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tried in uh San Joaquin County recently and give them not, not even to look at them just for some basic information and sign the order placement. And then probably you get a public assessment, you know, you see the assessment, you can find out how much cost

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which we found from the using irrigation. Do they set up the chain? Yes, or what is that? Uh How do you find that? Where? Mhm. I want all stuff and this, where, where the properties are they go going to a real estate here? I feel. Well,

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uh Kurt, what would you think of our trying to uh get a requirement through that? Every county housing authority have at least two of its tenants or preferably three of its tenants on the five man board. Talk to Little Brown about orgy. Mhm. Uh They um

01:25:38.589 - 01:26:04.350

Stepson capital Z bird of being uh uh spoke, spoke to the people from the housing and Sacramento both do the same thing. And uh there's a, they've got most of the housing in Sacramento mord. Uh they had a pendant Calcium Snick and uh due to the

01:26:04.359 - 01:26:36.529

tract action over there that you're getting now of a change and explosion that help. Has anybody ever talked about uh getting farm labor legislation by the initiative process cost quite a bit of money? Does it have to, does it have to be done by a professional?

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I mean, they do an awful lot of leg work signatures. Oh, well, I watch, yeah, it takes roughly 400. You should do that. Uh, four minutes, I guess. Is the referendum? It takes less, right? And the initial takes more because I proposition 14 they were more

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than 75,000 a year. The important also. Do your part just be like, well, I also have to be registered photos, like to believe it. You could get it on the ballot. Yeah, I be an interesting, uh, and it's troublesome. Do you have to declare a t

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some of the very ways so that, you know, even cr a good, no. But, uh, if you had shirt group line up on the back of her hand, you have these petitions in their invested and Sundays I couldn't get, you couldn't do it by getting farm

01:28:02.080 - 01:28:28.979

workers, uh, alone. But, uh, are the church groups seriously interested in farm or not? What do you think the same state that did that 14 to do the form? I think it would depend on what the issue was. Yeah. Uh, I want to cover them with

01:28:28.990 - 01:28:50.790

that employment. I mean, cover them with that employment. Do you think they wanna pay more for necessarily be do? Well, I had, I would, I would just let say, uh, you'd have a better chance on unemployment insurance coverage than you would if you had collective bargaining

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bill. But I think most people that you talk to feel that farm labor should be covered by unemployment insurance. You can talk to an awful lot of people about collective baring and that brings up the bugaboo of the big youth letting the crops rot in the

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fields and all of that stuff. I mean, you're, you're dead. It depends on the issue. So it is, it is an initiative on unemployment insurance. I, my best, well, my, my, top of, top of my head opinion is it would require such terrific effort that you

01:29:33.620 - 01:29:55.859

would do better to spend your effort elsewhere where your chances of success are great bend it on another strike. It wouldn't take any less effort than another strike was. So my, that's what I would, that would be my reaction to it. What would this, would this

01:29:55.870 - 01:30:23.279

really take more effort um On the point of say, students specifically, uh than starting another strike, students live and rather n metropolitan area. And my feeling is, yes, you think that you're collecting your 450,000 signatures and then you are mounting a full scale campaign against well

01:30:23.290 - 01:30:44.700

paid odds to put it across? Uh I think you could, you could wage a wage, a very handsome strike in the features or something like that with that amount of effort and greater chances of with the end product of the stripe. However, methane being is one

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in the ch it's hard to sleep. I mean, one thing about something like this is that it really does raise the issue. I mean, proposition for low. Well, it would be very dramatic, the congressman to get it on the ballot by itself. People would sit up

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and take a look and like with Bakersfield, this kind of thing use, you know, you don't just have to do it and that, you know, that's the, I may be wrong but maybe somebody from California, the only uh past piece of initiative legislation not sponsored special

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interest was the 1946 or 48. Um, we, how we, which is in thee and that was done. Budget by the can. That's not the only one that would say me too. Uh, money made. I think it, I think you're right. Um, and the, the, the big

01:32:17.879 - 01:32:45.759

people have lost a lot of them too. Like the real portion, portion of. Mhm. The, uh, after the sort of organization that could take place around such a thing you don't think of more benefit than not to. Ok. Ok. Yeah. Ok. I'm not sure that we

01:32:45.770 - 01:33:32.649

would like those, somebody tries to put you up. You might have noticed that the, the attention by trying to qualify, I broke them come up initially. Terrible. We always did have a maybe where do you start? Yeah, it was more about. Ok. Uh, this is for

01:33:33.009 - 01:34:12.379

forbid the state look at spray, spray was entirely outside. Yeah, they could be good that she, ok, spread the where is 418? I think that what was on her own. Uh Well, I think that if, if, if the students have that much time and energy to

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put into political action for foreign labor, I would suggest they put it into getting the people registered and, and working on the coming election. You were. So who are you gonna work for in the coming election? Who are you gonna work for in 1966? For all?

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Any other, any other discussion on any aspect of, uh, uh, politics, local state, national or international? Yeah. And the bar with the allergy, I take it then that you talked out on that subject. So I would like to add something to hang from the of shows

01:35:17.799 - 01:35:35.459

we've had, uh, we've been working on legislation because we're lowering the buzz level about, uh, 29 decibels. But for about 30 years, we've been working on legislation for something for the farm workers. But what it got us nothing. So I think it's, I think it's time

01:35:35.470 - 01:35:59.339

we begin to concentrate on a little bit more milt and action than just legislation wise. Legislation hasn't gained us nothing yet. That isn't true. Well, I wouldn't say that legislation doesn't change anything. It's very small, very insignificant. Uh, I mean, legislation reflects where the power is

01:35:59.350 - 01:36:19.419

rather than place his power in some group. And so I think to develop power in one form the meaningful legislation, if you can pass laws that, but of all the oil and you know if there isn't, if they don't represent some real power relationships in society.

01:36:19.430 - 01:36:35.180

They, meaning like all the laws within the civil rights themselves, they use it for the meaning. Now, let me give you an example of it, uh, uh within our own state here. Uh, take a look at the labor code and there's been legislation passed in the

01:36:35.189 - 01:36:54.649

labor code that they can apply to uh, industry. But you show me one, just one law in the labor code, just one or they've got a penalty against the growers for violations of any of these laws that loophole are big enough to drag a horse through

01:36:54.660 - 01:37:15.790

every one of them and they do that. So regulation is not really getting us what we, what we asked for at all. We're not nowhere near it is like the sanitation was things like that. Never been the work. That's right. The workers got to get the

01:37:15.799 - 01:37:30.759

car there. OK? What, what legislation you have so far has been unaccompanied with any power out in the field. And if you can organize the power out in the field, then you can put some of this legislation to work. Now, that's, that's, that's the point I

01:37:30.770 - 01:37:43.089

was getting at, you get the power from the, from the workers. I just tried to get it from legislation without the power of the workers. You, you still have nothing. The workers are the one who got to put the power there. You can do it by

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discussing on legislation all the time. Sometimes against Arizona. They have a range of workload trades down there have increased their, you know, their, their, their, their wage contracts have increased trading and they've got a pretty strong organization even though you couldn't find more reactionary states legislature.

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You know, uh, they've done it to their own power just by being powerful enough to say, to sit down at the table and bargain with the people and, and they know nothing. They're not gonna be any built unless they, unless they make some reason confession to

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these people. And, uh, it's not a, the condition the farm workers in Arizona. It's very sad, you know, anything worse than it cost more than it is in California because it's the same situation. They have no, uh, a nation. They have no power themselves to do.

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I don't know if it comes to, comes from people. There are problems with more. There are construction workers get the construction workers to go out and get $5 an hour down there. You know, and the agricultural workers can't get anything because they know they don't have,

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uh, they just can't bring no pressure there on, on the people. Jim. Did you wanna say something? Yeah. Is there anyone here who hasn't written ther or? That's? Mhm. There may be one or two people. Yeah, I'd like to get through this for a second. Uh,

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what happens if Caesar says Uh OK, I'm ready for the money and nothing happens. Um, but what happens is, um, I, I'm most concerned with right now this legal service program which we're trying to draft and get through, found in that part. We're gonna need political

01:39:57.359 - 01:40:23.810

action in Congress. Certainly. But also in the administrative agencies, labor oeo agriculture. Now I'm just taking Caesar's case, for example, it's at least possible and I know Max wants to feel this way, but I tell is gonna have to go to wash and just tell the

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ha and congress and visit people because uh right now, according to what Arnold Mayer says, packing house workers. So the grower was spending an awful lot of time, the people who can help them and they're gonna be spending more time when I was in Washington. I

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visited a number of offices, particularly in the Senate and they've been getting a lot of information from the growers. So one thing the citizens might think about, for example, is making sure that all the California Congress would get uh copy of your, your magazine and try

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to keep them up to date on what's happening is right and elsewhere. Yes. So there's no idea that's been kicking around. I think it's too early to talk about practic life. But I think someday maybe in a year it might be practical possibilities. I was talking

01:41:25.939 - 01:41:49.220

to you about this earlier. It was a good idea, but it, it wasn't something at FCO that initiated with groups like FCO who cooperated in just the whole idea of what people involving inside the. Um And again, this is something that can't come from on top.

01:41:49.410 - 01:42:10.830

It has to come after there has been enough moving activity in California to generate this sort of thing of problem where people are at. It also can't come out of a spike situation. OK. Um But I think some of the, I think, you know, people could

01:42:10.839 - 01:42:40.220

think in terms of, you know, the long range, uh, of some day when we might be able to organize, uh, a continuous lobby that would, uh, welfare rights organization, um, anti, uh, anti, you know, aggressive, anti quality groups follow, um, ghetto citizens groups. So what then

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six that it might someday be possible two to build some kind of uh, an operation where groups like FCL? Oh, inside them groups of people, welfare groups. Does it come participate in workshop and then do log in directly? So the middle this little now we all

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of them because we haven't had the motion at the measures. I'm thinking of a very dramatic. I like the challenge in which, uh, the effect of having the Mississippi freedom credit card, family of hemorrhage. If you come and testify directly in the house was, uh, you

01:43:49.910 - 01:44:14.970

know, it was electric, it was totally different quality of logging. The kind of logging we talk about now all these, the liberal groups and that's sort of, I could tell you could change the whole paragraph. Oh, of house people in Sacramento? What that question mark. The

01:44:14.979 - 01:44:36.189

fact is that was the family breathing down your neck was entirely different thing that you have. So, um, all right, a a or any of them good groups breathing down there because it was a different, uh, it was a different conversation that went on and how

01:44:36.200 - 01:44:54.890

I did and it wasn't, it wasn't a quick report conversation where if you do this, I can be that the flip side of that is the kind of understanding and education and important people. That's right. And that's what, that's what sort of, the whole, I see

01:44:54.919 - 01:45:12.660

that concept of, of people participating in the, in this whole thing that happens with it here and there used to be government debt and there's been no, I, with a lot of middlemen and a lot of brokers and a lot of people who are doing things,

01:45:12.669 - 01:45:26.229

you know, variously when the people themselves it works for the plan. Exactly. You have one of the rooms, um, seizure.